tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post7027517102223828454..comments2024-01-22T15:27:00.730+08:00Comments on One size doesn't fit all: If I had five Oracle wishes, they would be.....Chris Muirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06566648350240654621noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-72838809366794868212007-10-02T08:08:00.000+08:002007-10-02T08:08:00.000+08:00Well the problem with your point is you're discoun...Well the problem with your point is you're discounting ADF Business Components and focusing on the Java stack within ADF. Where as I'm not. I think ADF BC has a very important part to play as it's better suited to Forms and other 4GL programmers such as myself, while the JPA/EJB3 stack is better suited to traditional Java programmers.<BR/><BR/>So in my "Free the JDev" campaign, I guess I'm meaning free the binding layer and ADF BC..... and that's currently 2/3 of the stack for myself (and we'll ignore ADF Faces RC for the time being in this discussion as it is not yet an open source project).<BR/><BR/>CM.Chris Muirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06566648350240654621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-88943507863369824522007-10-02T04:27:00.000+08:002007-10-02T04:27:00.000+08:00I went to a talk by ted farell recently. He said t...I went to a talk by ted farell recently. He said that the bonus of the person leading the jsr-227 spec was depending on him finishing the spec. So it seems it still has some priority for oracle.<BR/><BR/>Adf has 2 parts, the development tools, and the runtime libraries. The development tool, jdeveloper, is already free to use, the runtime libraries are partially free.<BR/><BR/>The stack i mostly use, jpa, jsr-227, adf faces, has only one part that currently isn't free: jsr-227. If you want to run this stack on an application server you either need to use oracle's application server, or pay for adf data controls and bindings.<BR/><BR/>Once a free jsr-227 reference implementation is available, you can create adf applications for free, and run them for free.<BR/><BR/>A good reason not to use the business components, but instead use jpa/ejb3.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01316290752638494044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-66865625555261050452007-09-30T21:34:00.000+08:002007-09-30T21:34:00.000+08:00Nah, I'm afraid you're just proving my point more....Nah, I'm afraid you're just proving my point more. ADF is sold as an "end-to-end" development tool, and while Oracle has made parts of that end-to-end framework free, because they've missed out parts like the binding layer and ADF Business Components, it's like selling a house with no wiring, no plumbing, no stairs and no doorbell. The house might look good, but it's all show.<BR/><BR/>As for JSR-227, I've been watching JSR-227 for a long time now and it seems stalled. It looks like Oracle was well ahead on getting the concept of a binding layer together and seeking community approval, but there doesn't seem to be much else happening with it. Maybe Oracle can make a comment?<BR/><BR/>CM.Chris Muirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06566648350240654621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-5657501028386648932007-09-30T19:11:00.000+08:002007-09-30T19:11:00.000+08:00There's no reason adf should be free. ADF Faces is...There's no reason adf should be free. ADF Faces is already free, ADF Toplink is also free, just not the bindings and data controls.<BR/><BR/>But oracle is working on jsr-227 to standardize the bindings and datacontrols, and every jsr needs a free reference implementation. So what is orcle going to do, create another implementation of the datacontrols en bindings that can be used as the reference implementation, or free the current implementation?<BR/><BR/>My guess, when (if) jsr-227 is finished, adf will become free.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01316290752638494044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-63288591210098851092007-09-25T01:44:00.000+08:002007-09-25T01:44:00.000+08:00I agree with you in 100% :)I agree with you in 100% :)Darekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17842582574344823293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-76107156995811982502007-09-24T12:45:00.000+08:002007-09-24T12:45:00.000+08:00Ah... yes #5 is super-annoying.Ah... yes #5 is super-annoying.Brian Duffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15591692569924908268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-55254007181471809632007-09-24T02:51:00.000+08:002007-09-24T02:51:00.000+08:00http://blog.gueck.com/2007/05/my-five-oracle-wishe...<A HREF="http://blog.gueck.com/2007/05/my-five-oracle-wishes.html" REL="nofollow">http://blog.gueck.com/2007/05/my-five-oracle-wishes.html</A>gumihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05851786027170205954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-48362708550476307202007-09-24T01:22:00.000+08:002007-09-24T01:22:00.000+08:00Chris,Not that this solves your problem entirely, ...Chris,<BR/>Not that this solves your problem entirely, but it might ease the pain a bit.<BR/>http://oracleappslab.com/2007/07/10/metalink-and-more-in-your-browser-search-bar/<BR/><BR/>Jake, AppLabJakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661151740067801922noreply@blogger.com