tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post6853514805956593145..comments2024-01-22T15:27:00.730+08:00Comments on One size doesn't fit all: Why neither Apex or JDeveloper are actually "free"Chris Muirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06566648350240654621noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-26917191139366099682008-05-05T10:12:00.000+08:002008-05-05T10:12:00.000+08:00I appreciate all the points of view. However, let...I appreciate all the points of view. However, lets give my argument a different spin to prove my point.<BR/><BR/>The Apex, JDeveloper and SQL Developer (oh, and Oracle XE) Oracle staff are paid Oracle staff. Oracle is not a for-non-profit organisation. As soon as you pay for an Oracle license, you're paying for those staff in 1 way or another.<BR/><BR/>And as I mentioned because the majority of sites who use these tools are paid Oracle customers, you pay. I have yet to come across a site that substantially (ie. in a production environment) uses any of these products without owning at least 1 Oracle license.<BR/><BR/>Now maybe there are some lucky s*ckers out there using all free Oracle software and have never bought and Oracle license. Good for them. Meanwhile the rest of us are paying for these "free" products regardless of the marketing spin.<BR/><BR/>Simply, there's no such thing as a free lunch., regardless of how it's sold to you.<BR/><BR/>CM.Chris Muirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06566648350240654621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-45325091258300465532008-05-05T09:48:00.000+08:002008-05-05T09:48:00.000+08:00I didn't see SQL Developer on the list. It's label...I didn't see SQL Developer on the list. It's labeled as "Free" and it is. It competes against products that cost thousands and even allows for connections into other DBs.Dan McGhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13971112000913341546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-47442917550744046032008-05-04T06:24:00.000+08:002008-05-04T06:24:00.000+08:00"I use no features but those available to Oracle X..."I use no features but those available to Oracle XE, and Apex, then make it free across the board, database included, regardless of edition."<BR/>But, Apex can use any SQL feature, so you could have screens that access ASH views incurring Enterprise Edition (plus Diagnostics pack) costs.<BR/>Really, I think they just use free to differentiate it from the 'with cost' options. <BR/><BR/>"Why not just say SQL and PL/SQL are also free with the database? " They are intrinsically part of the database, whereas Apex is an option (albeit a forced one in 11g). In one way it is closer to XMLDB or Oracle Text, but with the difference that Apex can be upgraded independently of the database.SydOraclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08828771074492585943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-61743979092636263562008-05-03T07:12:00.000+08:002008-05-03T07:12:00.000+08:00For me APEX make sense if you take the ACCESS base...For me APEX make sense if you take the ACCESS base as a path to get into SQLServer. I have seen lots of ACCESS systems for small and non critical apps, for sure they must pay the M$ fee... but let's be realistic not of them know they have to pay for a license.. a friend give 'em ACCESS. As an access competence XE+APEX works fine. I made an app for a friend (5 tables!) hes quite happy, and use APEX.jotawolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793256458698534119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38586079.post-55061573396978128752008-05-03T02:48:00.000+08:002008-05-03T02:48:00.000+08:00I'm in the APEX camp and I just like APEX to be a ...I'm in the APEX camp and I just like APEX to be a non-payable "option" of the database... even nicer, from 11g onwards it's just there ;-)<BR/><BR/>I see it as:<BR/>- Do you want a complete free system and you want to have a declarative development environment: go for Oracle XE and APEX.<BR/>As you want everything for free, you probably don't care about support, nevertheless the forums can be very helpful.<BR/>- If you already have a database or need one and want to pay for it, why not take the best database there is? So you go for an Oracle DB and it happens you get a development environment free of charge with it. You don't pay anything extra for it.<BR/><BR/>As for JDeveloper I find it another story, you'll want a database (everybody needs to store it's data somewhere!) and you need an application server. <BR/><BR/>And about Forms... you can migrate them for free to APEX ;-)<BR/><BR/>Just the thoughts of an Apex Evangelist.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>DimitriDimitri Gielishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16295721159626839167noreply@blogger.com